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Sovereign countries can’t choose their allies? Really? When long-time neutral countries have decided that not even being neutral will protect them anymore from invasion, your answer is that they should be invaded?
History started only in the 2000s for you. I understand.
You don’t care about the invaded people.
Putting just randomly invading Ukraine. No interests, no security concerns, no geopolitics involved, am I right?
Oh so you don’t care about the people then, got it.
Oh so you don’t care about Israelis, just letting the Palestinians take hostages, got it.
Russian military bases are visible on google maps
https://kyivindependent.com/missile-strikes-kursk-apartment-building-russian-official-claims/
I guess this building was also seen on Google maps
Ukrainian troops have been training in nato countries since close to the beginning of the war
It’s one thing to train and supply a force, it’s another man that supply
The NATO long range missiles are dependent on (NATO) satalite intelligence, meaning the west provides targets to Ukraine. Also apparently the NATO provided systems take a while to learn, so NATO personell has to be mounting them. How this is not considered a direct involvement of NATO and a major escalation is beyond me. Fucken libs are gonna get everyone killed, just to make a nice dividend on their defense stock
Can you explain why supporting US interests in the middle east is bad (among others arms sales in “Israel”), but supporting US interests in Ukraine (arms sales, privatization) is good somehow?
Free Palestine, Fuck NATO.
NATO expansion
Even with a treaty in place, why would Ukraine not trying to become stronger with the Russian threat?
Because “getting stronger” in this context means militarily. Why would you want to bolster your military, when the Minsk treaty guarantees safety from russia? Not implementing the treaty and continued prospect of joining NATO, bolstering Ukraines military antagonized Russia, as they saw that the Minsk agreement got ignored. Merkel admitting that it was just to buy time, proved the Russians right.
They also used the time to become stronger. But that was not the goal of Minsk.
Yea it was to bring peace. Why would you want “to become stronger”, when part of the peace agreement was to become a buffer zone to NATO? Why else would the Russians else have signed it? How do you explain that with Merkel saying that it was just to buy time? Wouldn’t the Russians feel betrayed/played if it wasn’t implemented for peace, but just to stall them?
Sie hat diese Zeit hat auch genutzt, um stärker zu werden, wie man heute sieht.
It [Ukraine] also used this time to become stronger, as we can see today.
time to mature
You mean “time to become stronger” i.e. prepare for war and not implement minsk II (why would you want to “become stronger” if not prepare for war; it’s in contradiction with implementing minsk)
Show me the original interview where Merkel said that.
Merkel: Das setzt aber voraus, auch zu sagen, was genau die Alternativen damals waren. Die 2008 diskutierte Einleitung eines Nato-Beitritts der Ukraine und Georgiens hielt ich für falsch. Weder brachten die Länder die nötigen Voraussetzungen dafür mit, noch war zu Ende gedacht, welche Folgen ein solcher Beschluss gehabt hätte, sowohl mit Blick auf Russlands Handeln gegen Georgien und die Ukraine als auch auf die Nato und ihre Beistandsregeln. Und das Minsker Abkommen 2014 war der Versuch, der Ukraine Zeit zu geben. Anm. d. Red.: Unter dem Minsker Abkommen versteht man eine Reihe von Vereinbarungen für die selbst ernannten Republiken Donezk und Luhansk, die sich unter russischem Einfluss von der Ukraine losgesagt hatten. Ziel war, über einen Waffenstillstand Zeit zu gewinnen, um später zu einem Frieden zwischen Russland und der Ukraine zu kommen. Sie hat diese Zeit hat auch genutzt, um stärker zu werden, wie man heute sieht.
(Translated): Merkel: But that requires saying what exactly the alternatives were at the time. I thought the idea of Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO, which was discussed in 2008, was wrong. The countries did not have the necessary prerequisites for this, nor had the consequences of such a decision been fully considered, both with regard to Russia’s actions against Georgia and Ukraine and to NATO and its mutual assistance rules. And the Minsk Agreement in 2014 was an attempt to give Ukraine time. Editor’s note: The Minsk Agreement is a series of agreements for the self-proclaimed republics of Donetsk and Luhansk, which had broken away from Ukraine under Russian influence. The aim was to gain time through a ceasefire in order to later achieve peace between Russia and Ukraine. It also used this time to become stronger, as we can see today.
For those that seek an African perspective on the matter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5uzxV8ub9k