I don’t see what this has to do with the fact that China utilises slave labour from a religious minority group they are currently genociding to aid in their construction and manufacturing sector.
To my knowledge, you go to prison in the US when you commit a crime, as opposed to a labour camp where you are sterilised then made to build Fords under threat of death.
Yes it’s very different. Tesla certainly overworks their employees by basically expecting them to do overtime, and engages in anti-union shadiness, but that pales in comparison to utilising slave labour from a religious minority group they subjugate and have even been known to sterilise, as well as harm family members of those who aren’t behaving as the CCP wants them to.
Tesla still has to abide by US environmental regulations, which while not as strict as you’d find in Europe, are a hell of a lot stricter than China.
Tesla still has to follow construction and safety laws that, again while not super strict like in much of Europe, is a hell of a lot stricter than China.
The US also doesn’t subsidise exported Teslas in a move to exterminate foreign car companies before ramping up prices.
The secret is heavy subsidy, very little worker protections/safety, very little environmental protection, and slave labour.
Literally none of that goes against what I’ve said.
Hiring people to work on local AI features and accessibility features does not mean it’s their only focus.
Completely silly take, and not the gotcha you think it is.
Not true at all lol
And locally-run translation that utilises AI, as well as AI accessibility features for blind users isn’t nefarious. I mean, unless you dislike private translations and would rather send that data to Google, or hate blind people, but I’d hope you don’t.
People need to actually look into features before they have a stupid and completely reactionary “it says AI therefore evil” response. People who react that way are morons.
Here is literally no different.
And they’re the only people who can easily do it.
Anybody else needs a new motherboard and RAM. And for those people, they’re like “hmmm I can spend $700+ upgrading to Zen5, or I could spend $180 on a 5700X3D, not have to pull my entire PC apart, and get about the same real-world performance because I’ll be GPU bottlenecked anyway.”
Both the PS5 and Steam deck’s CPU architecture are Zen2. So the 5950X is the most modern (Zen3)
I mean, maintaining an instance is a larger job than having a twitter account. I don’t think they’re all that comparable.
If you’re gaming tbh I’d rather go with Zen4X3D or if you really want to, wait for Zen5X3D. Standard Zen5 isn’t really worth it considering the dropping of Zen4 prices IMO
Even with the performance boost of turning up the TDP, you’re looking at pretty similar performance to the X3D chips, and in some games that really love cache, still a decent amount worse
I also just upgraded from a 3600, but I did it to a 5700X3D, because it barely cost anything and only required dropping in a new CPU
They sell everything they put into laptops, in that market they can’t keep up with demand. Similar story for enterprise.
In the DIY desktop market, which this article is about, It’s been instilled into everyone to wait for the X3D chips, by basically every reviewer. And for good reason.
Certainly doesn’t help that:
a Windows 11 bug made performance look over 10% worse than it actually was on release, which is when all benchmarks are done and opinions are set (E: btw this has been fixed, and the fix also helped older CPUs too)
AMD decided to massively lower energy usage at the expense of out-of-box performance (I actually love this decision, I’m sick of components getting more and more power-hungry, and I’m sick of a hot stuffy room. Most gaming-focussed reviewers hated it though, which bugged me tbh because they also moan when power usage is high. I think they just like being negative because it drives engagement). At previous-gen TDPs, Zen 5 gains a lot of performance, but that’s not how they are benchmarked.
the price of Zen 4 has dropped, and the 7800X3D in particular looks compelling to those who might’ve wanted Zen 5.
most DIY PC builders are PC gamers, and what do we need new CPUs for? Most gamers are more GPU bottlenecked right now, especially as people are moving to 1440p, 1440p ultrawide, or 4K. Add to that the fact that there have been very few good PC game releases this year and of course we’re in a slump.
the only people who can buy a Zen5 CPU and drop it in their machine easily are Zen4 users, who won’t see a large uplift and likely won’t bother. People with earlier systems are looking at a significant investment - new motherboard and DDR5 RAM, why bother with that when the 5700X3D is such an insanely good value proposition that still won’t be bottlenecked unless you’re running an insanely good GPU?
Anybody with any nuanced opinion just gets shat on by both
In the UK it works out as 913 USD.
If you think $700 is bad, it’ll be £700 in the UK.
Which is $913.
Also:
median household income, UK (2022): £32,400 ($42,265)
median household income, USA (2022): $74,580
A PS5 Pro is 26% of the typical UK household monthly income.
A PS5 Pro is 11% of the typical US household monthly income.
The US pricing is bad. The UK pricing is absolutely insane.
You can’t scale $700 laptop performance up to 4K 60fps without it being an absolute mess.
You mention the tech being similar, that is true, but upscaling from a, say, 1700p signal to a 4K one is an entirely different beast to 1080p > 4K.
Those “old” games would utterly destroy a $700 gaming laptop. You’d be very lucky indeed to get 60FPS even at low 1080p.
My comment was more about the irrelevancy of consoles once they start getting past the £500 mark, used to be that you’d have a good advantage over a mid-tier PC for about 2 years.
Consoles being vastly better price/perf at the start of the generation and then getting overtaken by PC towards the end has always been the case. Every generation at the start there’s alarmism about consoles killing PC gaming, then mid-to-late gen people act as if console gaming is dead. Neither end up happening.
That said, you’d still struggle to build a $700 PC that outperforms a PS5 Pro. You could get reasonably close maybe if you’re clever with the budget, though.
Where the PC library is huge, add in Emulation and it’s even bigger.
I’m not arguing against PC. I think PC is the better and better value platform. I play on PC exclusively (well my kids have a switch, and I play with them, I guess, but just for me personally it’s all PC or Steam Deck).
I’m just saying there is zero chance of you getting a 4K gaming laptop for $700. $1250+ seems a lot more likely.
Even not running at max, you won’t get anywhere near 4K 60fps on a $700 laptop. A laptop 4050 at 45W (the best you’re going to get at the price) will only achieve 80fps in GTA V at 1080p high (not max). What chance will it stand at 4K? Then remember that that’s an 11 year old game (albeit one that’s had updates).
Even if it did have the horsepower, the 6GB VRAM would be used up immediately and render games unplayable.
I think people are underestimating how expensive gaming laptops have become. The $700 ones are good for eSports and old games. They are not 4K gaming machines.
Then on top of that, the laptops in that price range will have a 250-500GB SSD. Not enough for a reasonable amount of new games.
Using a laptop as a console that you can occasionally unplug and play on the go is a good idea. But if you want 4K you’re gonna be paying a hell of a lot more than $700 lol
Even with DLSS or FSR, you’d have to be at a decent resolution for upscaling to 4K not to look bad.
“play older games” basically what Sony has atm
I don’t really get what you mean. Almost all new games that come out will have a PS5 version? Am I being dumb here and misinterpreting you?
E: I checked BestBuy (the only US PC retailer I know of, I’m not from the US), and the best GPU in a $700 laptop is a RTX 4050 laptop edition, power-limited to 45W. Looking at benchmarks, this often struggles to reach 60FPS in GTA V at high settings - a game that released 11 years ago! And remember that’s 1080P!
Not only that, the SSD in it is only 500GB. So just 3-6 modern games once you factor in the Windows install.
You’re looking at a significant price if you want to use a laptop as a 4K console. Even with DLSS, which will render the game at 66% of the display resolution, you’d still need a capable 1440p gaming laptop. And 1440p is ~80% more pixels to push than 1080p.
An uplift of ~45% in overall performance, ray tracing going from awful to decent, hardware-accelerated upscaling (like DLSS) isn’t “hardly noticeable” unless you don’t have eyes.
And more storage and WiFi 7 may not be as flashy (hah, SSD storage, flash-y), but they’re nonetheless improvements.
But, you know, if that’s not good enough for you, don’t get one. Nobody’s forcing you. I know I have no desire for one, (especially not for $700!) I’ve been console-free since my 360 had a red ring of death.
You can get a 4TB NVME SSD for 200 USD these days. And of course Sony wouldn’t pay retail price.
2TB, what Sony went for, does appear to have (just barely) the lowest price per GB right now though. $0.48/GB vs $0.52/GB for a cheap 4TB NVME SSD.
Honestly I’m surprised they didn’t also release a 4TB version. But I imagine they may release it later so they can get a second wave of PS5 Pro headlines later on.
Ok, putting aside for a moment China’s totally honest and not at all fudged number of incarcerated people…
The US allowing prison labour is something I’m disgusted by.
But it’s still a far cry from abducting people based on their religion, sometimes sterilising them so they can’t have kids, threatening them with their life, threatening their family, and forcing them to work in factories or in construction, then using that slave labour to undercut and kill foreign competition.
Don’t try to twist this into a “you’re complaining about China therefore you think the US is great”. I’m saying China is far worse. Because they are, and only a complete muppet would think otherwise.
Maybe you’re ok with what China does (slavery and genocide), but I am not.