So what was the point of bringing up student loans when talking about PPP loans being forgiven???

You love that gish gallop fallacy for some reason. Another thing you guys love is debate bro terms so you can weasel out of answering anything.

Answer the fucking question.

I don’t know what to tell you. You made the silly claim that PPP loans and student debt are equally discharged then when someone pushed back you started crying about gish galloping and “oh no, don’t interrogate me bro, you’re dominating the conversation”. Like holy shit man.

You made the claim. Own it all the way. Walk us from point a to b. How are ppp and student loans the same?

Nah. I used to respond to these idiotic buzz phrases with detailed and sourced responses. After a while I realized I was either talking to people that had no clue what or how US government works or they were actively engaged in spreading misinformation.

I no longer expend my energy in this manner as it’s clear that people that wake these types of declarations:

“PPP loans were forgiven so why not student loans???”

Are way. Way. Way so far off from policy and any conversation grounded in reality that it doesn’t matter what I say or show.

Really if you make a big claim like that, you should be prepared to explain and defend yourself. Call it a " power play" or gish gallop (it’s not) but own it all the way. Walk us from point A to B. Own it.

My issue is very clear: everyone is comfortable levying criticism in broad generalities. Everyone’s very comfortable painting broad strokes and talking in generalities.

No one wants to bring the receipts and talk specifics. That’s why even here, when I push back and ask for specifics you fold. We haven’t even started the discussion about student loans. We’re still nitpicking over feelings and vibes and we presentation at this point.

the president is influential within the party and can and does frequently work with the legislature on bills

Correct. Biden has advocated and advanced numerous bills related to this. It’s quite the list. I’m not going to go over it because I already know the next talking point or buzzphrase.

those things are all determined by laws passed by Congress

Correct

Maybe they should’ve negotiated harder to include changes to how student loans work as part of that deal

Yes. Maybe the coulda/shoulda/woulda. Policy negotiations aren’t easy, esp when dems held only slim majorities in both houses. This here is the crux of discourse on social media.

WELL THEY FORGAVE PPP LOANS I DONT SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL??

It’s all conjecture intended to equivocate between the two parties and dilute the discourse. That’s all it is because it is completely devoid of the specifics in each legislation. It’s all feelings. When people are ready to open up the bills and talk policy, lets go. Lets have that discussion. But for as long as people post this asinine nonsense “WELL THEY FORGAVE PPP…” we’ll be stuck in the realm of buzzwords forever. And both sides are the same, amirite?

I’m tired of all the pseudo intellectuals hijacking every conversation with feels and never providing concrete examples of anything. They’ll dance and dance around general topics and never give us specifics because they know they can get away with saying anything. It’s an effective way to build up narratives without having to be held responsible for anything.

They’ll never give a clear context or path to how / why / where because they know they can talk in generalities and move on. They’re here to stay and either we can all roll over into the post-modern “truth is just a construct world” or we can push back.

Thank you. We can address DWS and Bernies ability to secure the nomination but I want Kronos to engage first. I’m not forking out of this discussion yet but I will come back.

Let me remind you: you made the claim that because the government forgave some PPP loans the government can also and should forgive student debt. Which is a nonsense vague talking point repeated all the time and with no substance.

It betrays a complete misunderstanding of many key parts that go into how, why, and when student loans operate and can be discharged and how little they bear in relation to PPP loans. Nonetheless, this talking point was picked up and is still being spread like gospel or some clever gotcha.

I’ve answered your poop and pee question. I will answer any question you want.

Now can you explain why and how student loans can be forgiven in the same way that PPP loans were? Be specific.

the infrastructure package passed by Biden is barely enough funds to handle the backlog of maintenance issues in our failing infrastructure

• Why? What caused the gap in funding that you want to see happen? Explain to us what the impediment was? Be specific.

democrats have failed to re-fund public education

• When?
• How?
• Why?

Specifics, man. Do you understand what that means?

No. From de facto day one of his presidency the Lincoln project has been operating. Trump started making enemies long before he was elected. He’s just very erratic and unpredictable. While you’re right that he holds a lot of popularity among his devout followers, he doesn’t hold the same sway over the rest of the party. Hence the “Never Trumpers” among republicans. It just so happens that after 9 years even the GOP is tired of his erratic unpredictable behavior and can see the sinking ship for what it is.

HOWEVER

back to og claim. At no point has this unpopularity among moderate republicans helped shape democratic policy. This is a common talking point seeded to create division. That’s why it’s important to ask for specifics about which policies shifted.

Always ask for specifics when countering sophists that employ buzzwords such as @distantsounds

Pee is liquid and is excreted from from the urethra and poo poo is feces excreted from the anus. Done.

Now can you explain why PPP loans were forgiven? What is the context and legislative background behind PPP loans? How are they related/similar to student loans? Why was major student loan relief stalled legislatively? Show us you understand anything about what you’re talking about? Give one specific example.

Sorry. Too many many overwhelming questions to your buzzword statement? I hope i’m not gish galloping ad hom slippery slope false equivocating here. Feel free to answer just one question with specific example and source.

Take all the time you need.

Explain to us how and where the process of codifying abortion rights happens federally. Walk us through the process and explain where the Democrats failed.

Here is a comprehensive list of logical fallacies:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

I recommend you start with “gish gallop”. I hope it’s not too many statements and overwhelming for you.

The fact that you lumped in PPP loans with student loans showed me you don’t understand a) basic econ b) policy and legislation. I figured that out pretty quick and wanted to give you a chance. You spent more time arguing why you should argue than simplify answering the question. Because of course, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m good thanks

You haven’t given a specific thing. You called general topics such as Biden Infrastructure Package. And then you tied it to some kind of gap I funding. But you never explained where and how.

You never give specific. You talk a lot in generalities. In all your comments. All of them.

Give me one specific cause and effect tied to democratic 'policy. Just one.

1sh Edit: to all the downvowers:

Saying broad general things like “Biden s infrastructure package fell short in funding” is an empty statement without specifics. It doesn’t tell us anything. It’s a feeling. It doesnt tell us how or why. It’s a feeling. And people like Kronos keep up the narrative propped up thanks to these declarations based in… Nothing. Give us clear examples.

• Where
• What
• How

Not asking for the moon here. If this is too much, then what even is there to discuss?

If asking you to explain a simple fundamental thing for you is too overwhelming then too bad. I’m not arguing quantum physics with someone that can’t do arithmetic. You can’t talk US legislation and policy like it’s a soccer game. I’m more than convinced now than ever you don’t know what you’re talking about and Im glad I didn’t waste any more time going down a rabbit hole only to learn later you are out of your depth.

Uh oh. Someone doesn’t understand what the US president is and is entitled to give opinions on social media. I know, American civics is hard. What time is it in Mokba?

Where, who and how?

I need specific details not vibes. You are just giving me opinion.

You make a lot of statements but never provide specific details. A lot. Like, all your comments are identical. Why are you like this?

Yes, politicians have to run on policies and positions. They have to espouse those positions on the campaign trail.

Do you understand the president does not enact legislation? I need you to address this before we go any further. I need you to explain what the difference is between the presidency and congress.